No, I’m not going all the way back in NBA history. However, I will go back in my own NBA history, my memory of the game I’ve been following since the early nineties, and I realize that no position has changed more than the 4-spot.
Some might argue that in the last decade the point guard position went in a different direction, but in reality, that’s not the case. The “classic” point guard was always the guy who had a pass-first mentality, setting up plays and sharing the rock with his teammates. In the mid-nineties you had guys like Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson coming up; small players who were more scorers than the traditional guards. Like nowadays you have Gilbert Arenas at the 1-spot in Washington, but he’s more of a playmaker with the ability to score 40 at any given time. The point guard position has always been divided. In the Knicks’ glory days you had the amazing Walt Frazier who could drop 30 on your ass, but also give 10 assists along the process. Or what about Kevin Johnson, a diminutive but fierce guard who played for the Phoenix Suns who liked to dunk on whatever big log was manning the paint? Nowadays, I think Steve Nash is responsible for letting GM’s realize that you need a floorleader who can rack up dimes and making everyone around him better. I know I might be stating the obvious, but guys like Chris Paul, Andre Miller and Deron Williams are all like that, and it’s a joy to watch them play.
I’m really drifting off here, because I should be talking about the big men in this game, the tall forces who emphasize “power” in power forward. Elbows flying, floor-diving, reaching out there for the rebound, getting some points in the paint, being as wide as you are tall, pushing, shoving, boxing out, tough defense and what not. When I think of them, stuff like this pops into my head like a virus pop-up window when you’re browsing for “Paris Hilton + pics” (not that I know about this from any personal experiences). But today’s power forward seems to be a more versatile, finesse kind of player. Tall guys who can take their defenders off the dribble, some even shoot 3’s if needed, they’re more like taller small forwards. The power forward of the early to mid-nineties would be a center in the modern-day NBA.
The 4-spot in my mind is still occupied by players like Charles Barkley, Horace Grant, Charles Oakley, Buck Williams, Larry Johnson (well, his first 2 two seasons with the Hornets), Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Kevin McHale, Antonio Davis, Dale Davis, Rick Mahorn, Jayson Williams, Otis Thorpe, Anthony Mason, P.J. Brown and even Dennis Rodman (build like a small forward, but could outrebound every damn power forward out there). The ultra-athletic Shawn Kemp might not fit in the mold of the other guys I named here, but if you play with as much force as Kemp, he belongs in this list too, no doubt.
In 1995 Kevin Garnett was drafted. Rail-thin, wiry yet strong enough to hammer it over plenty of other dudes his size. In the years that followed, KG showed that he could do just about everything. He was basically a 6’11 small forward, and when you check the power forwards we have on our current NBA rosters, there are plenty more of those ‘big-small forwards’: Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw, and even Rashard Lewis played some power forward for the Orlando Magic (which is insane).
Why am I writing this? To sum it all up: out of frustration. I’m not saying there aren’t any good big men left in the NBA, because there are plenty: Flight Howard, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler, Mountain Drew Bynum, Mehmet Okur, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Marcus Camby, David West, just to name a few. I even want to mention Udonis Haslem here, because he belongs in the classic power forward category, but the NBA is eliminating my definition of the big man. Sometimes a tall player can’t stay into the game because refs are so quick to blow the whistle; it’s almost painful to watch. When you’re a 7-footer, standing still with your hand up in the air and Dwyane Wade comes at you, you know you’re screwed. You could be like a statue and still you would get a foul. It’s always the same damn thing. Sure, I like high-scoring games too, but one of the most annoying things to me in the new millennium of the NBA is that you can’t play tough defense anymore. Maybe basketball in the nineties wasn’t always the most attractive ball you would see, but at least there was equality for every position.
Some might argue that in the last decade the point guard position went in a different direction, but in reality, that’s not the case. The “classic” point guard was always the guy who had a pass-first mentality, setting up plays and sharing the rock with his teammates. In the mid-nineties you had guys like Stephon Marbury and Allen Iverson coming up; small players who were more scorers than the traditional guards. Like nowadays you have Gilbert Arenas at the 1-spot in Washington, but he’s more of a playmaker with the ability to score 40 at any given time. The point guard position has always been divided. In the Knicks’ glory days you had the amazing Walt Frazier who could drop 30 on your ass, but also give 10 assists along the process. Or what about Kevin Johnson, a diminutive but fierce guard who played for the Phoenix Suns who liked to dunk on whatever big log was manning the paint? Nowadays, I think Steve Nash is responsible for letting GM’s realize that you need a floorleader who can rack up dimes and making everyone around him better. I know I might be stating the obvious, but guys like Chris Paul, Andre Miller and Deron Williams are all like that, and it’s a joy to watch them play.
I’m really drifting off here, because I should be talking about the big men in this game, the tall forces who emphasize “power” in power forward. Elbows flying, floor-diving, reaching out there for the rebound, getting some points in the paint, being as wide as you are tall, pushing, shoving, boxing out, tough defense and what not. When I think of them, stuff like this pops into my head like a virus pop-up window when you’re browsing for “Paris Hilton + pics” (not that I know about this from any personal experiences). But today’s power forward seems to be a more versatile, finesse kind of player. Tall guys who can take their defenders off the dribble, some even shoot 3’s if needed, they’re more like taller small forwards. The power forward of the early to mid-nineties would be a center in the modern-day NBA.
The 4-spot in my mind is still occupied by players like Charles Barkley, Horace Grant, Charles Oakley, Buck Williams, Larry Johnson (well, his first 2 two seasons with the Hornets), Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Kevin McHale, Antonio Davis, Dale Davis, Rick Mahorn, Jayson Williams, Otis Thorpe, Anthony Mason, P.J. Brown and even Dennis Rodman (build like a small forward, but could outrebound every damn power forward out there). The ultra-athletic Shawn Kemp might not fit in the mold of the other guys I named here, but if you play with as much force as Kemp, he belongs in this list too, no doubt.
In 1995 Kevin Garnett was drafted. Rail-thin, wiry yet strong enough to hammer it over plenty of other dudes his size. In the years that followed, KG showed that he could do just about everything. He was basically a 6’11 small forward, and when you check the power forwards we have on our current NBA rosters, there are plenty more of those ‘big-small forwards’: Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw, and even Rashard Lewis played some power forward for the Orlando Magic (which is insane).
Why am I writing this? To sum it all up: out of frustration. I’m not saying there aren’t any good big men left in the NBA, because there are plenty: Flight Howard, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Tyson Chandler, Mountain Drew Bynum, Mehmet Okur, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Marcus Camby, David West, just to name a few. I even want to mention Udonis Haslem here, because he belongs in the classic power forward category, but the NBA is eliminating my definition of the big man. Sometimes a tall player can’t stay into the game because refs are so quick to blow the whistle; it’s almost painful to watch. When you’re a 7-footer, standing still with your hand up in the air and Dwyane Wade comes at you, you know you’re screwed. You could be like a statue and still you would get a foul. It’s always the same damn thing. Sure, I like high-scoring games too, but one of the most annoying things to me in the new millennium of the NBA is that you can’t play tough defense anymore. Maybe basketball in the nineties wasn’t always the most attractive ball you would see, but at least there was equality for every position.
37 comments:
Great information, and I love the inclusion of Mason and Grant. By the way, where did Dennis Rodman fit into this evolution? :-)
The game has definitely changed since the early nineties! Power has been gradually diminished by the NBA as a whole. Where is the hustle!? If you just look at the Celtics-Lakers finals; there wasn't a real power forward or center on the parquet most of the time...
Mountain Drew Bynum ... LOL. Never heard that before. Might steal it for my Fantasy Preview ... full credit given of course :)
Ryne: What can I say about Rodman.... when it comes to evolution, I bet Darwin never thought of a worm becoming a atheltic rebounding machine wearing wedding dresses for fun!
frizzle: when you comment on my blog, I know I did something right. When it comes to the Lakers, Bynum will hopefully help them out in the 'power' department, so to speak.
Emry, I won't call you mr. Fantasy because that sounds so.... well, I don't want to sound immature, but it sounds Amaechi.
Anyway, I've been calling Bynum Mountain Drew for months, and finally someone likes it!
If you do use it for your fantasy preview, and naming good ol' Gerard Himself in it, that would be cool.
I hope you'll be just as on point this season as you were last season! Let's face it, you just love stats, that's why you do it, right?
Even though I am with you 100 percent in missing the strong, defensive minded, rebounding-maniac power forwards, I am totally happy with these small forward wannabes.
Being a short kid, it always pissed me off that there were kids a foot taller than me with half the basketball talent going higher in the draft of my local youth basketball league than I did. When players like Shaq just muscle their way to the basket and drop the ball in the hoop, I want to punch someone.
These finese players that have all around skills are the only big men I can respect. If they played better defense and weren't totally lame sometimes (Lamar Odom is the king of lameness), they would rival point guard (my position) for my most respected position.
AL Jefferson?
amare stoudemire?
yes, Stoudemire and Al Jefferson. I understand what you guys mean, and I didn't leave them out on purpose. We can name plenty more good big men in the game today, but that's not the point. The thing is that for a lot of other big guys, the so-called blue collar players, are nearly extinct. The "classic" power forward is a dying breed, and it's position that has changed a lot. So it's not about the names I left out, that's not the point.
I totally agree with you. The 4-spot for me is a very important position in basketball. I think the definition of power and overall performance is embodied in the Power Forward Position. In offense, it is the anchor of the offensive might of a team because power forwards often shoots high percentage shots due to the proximity of the basket and their size and power that enables them to be much closer to the basket. On defense, I see the 4 spot as an X-factor. not all centers are defensive player, so when you try to mix a Power forward actively in defense, it gives you a better over-all defensive presence or more importantly a help defense especially in the paint.
However, the NBA really evolved and in the course of the evolution, the Power forward position also changed. I think this can be also attributed with the fans. Most fans nowadays favors crossover moves by quick guards and driving it to the basket. It's through the concept of quick and lighting offense. If a team today wants to incorporate an effective "Power Forward" in its roster, it must address the following:
1. Able to run the transition
2. Has a decent mid-range jumper
3. And is a good screen provider and a excellent passer as well
So where does the classic Power forward fit in today's basketball? I think that's the question we should answer in the next days.
Great post Gerard... The fact that there isn't much equality on each position nowadays is so much true.. But then PF's are never scarcity in this league, there are ton actually... And as for the dying defensive mindset, hubie Brown stated it well, "the best defensive player can never stop the best offensive player"
Derek and Melvin: great great comments. I hope that you guys will definitely posts more blogs when you have the time for it. I always like them, and those comments prove there's plenty more to write about. Thanks fellas.
And a note to Jason: your Lamar Odom line cracks me up everytime. Maybe he can be more effective when he'll play the small forward this season?
Gerard, what's up? Great post, by the way. Very though provoking. Here are some of my thoughts.
As someone who appreciates people who can adapt to new styles and environments, I understand the need for more versatile PFs. It really is better to be multi-skilled rather than simply a specialist.
That said, though, I also think most of the new PFs have lost sight of the role of a PF. The title really says it all, man... "Power"... And I do miss that, too.
But like you said, it's not even the players' fault. When refs call the most minor of fouls, then that basically discourages a more physical style of play.
Maybe this is just a phase, and somewhere down the line, the age of true PFs will once again reign supreme. But for now, I doubt it'll happen.
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I just wanted to point out, for a 'power' forward, ho grant was hella soft. and this coming from a 90s bulls fan. he'd get the numbers but he's no intimidator.
Hey, Gerard. Just sent you an email, hit me back!
And Emry, anybody here wanna join a league I'm setting up?
Rob - fantasy basketball league?
An Another48Minutes league would be life changing.
@ Jason - Yes, my man! An fantasy basketball league. You interested?
I actually have one right now that includes some of my friends and relatives (which all of you are free to join), but if you want to start an exclusive fantasy league, I'm in as well! Haha.
You interested in joining my league, man? Who else is?
Robbi, sorry for the late response, but I just replied to your e-mail. I'm in there like swimwear! (Boom!)
Jason: you should join! E-mail me at grotevriendelijkeneus@gmail.com, or pm me at albumsix.com (prefer e-mail)
anonymous: yeah I know you're right. He was kind of soft, but still held his own against plenty of other power forwards in the L around that time. If you look at him number while being with the Bulls, it was a guy I wouldn't mind having on my team.
Hey gerard, try to give your comment on my latest article. It's about choosing a franchise player and his resepctive position. I know you would have a good choice so it would be really a pleasure if you can share it with us. Hit us back man.. Thank you
rob - i would definitely like to join, even though you guys are gonna murder me.
renton - email sent.
www.collegebasketball247.blogspot.com
good blog!
Nice, Jason! How can I contact you, man? Maybe you can send me your email or something so we can work out the kinks.
Robbi: check your e-mail, new info!
Anonymus: I won't delete your comment this time, but don't do this again.
Good luck with your blog (if you'll ever read this comment anyway), but I'm not following college basketball.
Gerard: Got it. Been meaning to make a post about something (ANYTHING) but it's all a mishmash of thoughts right now. Need to clear me mind for a bit.
has all been worked out for the league?
also, let me reiterate that you guys are going to murder me in this.
@ Jason: Yeah, there's already a solid ruling and system set, but I havent gotten to finalizing it yet. When I gather the final list of participants, I'll make sure to email y'all.
BTW, I'm still open to suggestions, so if you have any that you think would be cool, then hit me up!
LOL. It's gonna be great, man. Is this going to be your first year playing?
2nd. I did it with my friends last year and I got 2nd. but that was with my dumb friends, not legit stuff like this.
Jason, you give us too much credit, man! Hahaha. We're not that good. It's not like we make spreadsheets and stuff... Haha. But either way, IT'S GONNA BE GREAT!
Gerard & Jason, just sent you guys invites! Sign up asap so we can do this, man!
The information here is great. I will invite my friends here.
Thanks
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